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Kloxo MR v7

#1
Anyone here use Kloxo MR 7.x or even 6.5x ? Few days ago I tried to install it and got it install without a problem. But Configuring it properly is another matter. First I got it configured and as all tutorials say but once I uploaded a wordpress site I found it shows just a white blank page.

Now after several days and installing it in 2 different vps to test I'm still having the same problem.
Software and cathedrals are much the same – first we build them, then we pray
#2
Verify that your PHP is set up correctly.

I have used KloxoMR for years and feel it is an awesome branch off the ole Kloxo.
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary and those who don't...
#3
A bit late reply but anyway I have moved from KloxoMR to VirtualMin. I really did love KloxoMR but I started having problems and couldn't find solutions even after posting in their support forum. It's developer is very active in support forum which is a great thing but when only one person do all development there is always things which can go wrong.
Software and cathedrals are much the same – first we build them, then we pray
#4
Really happy to see you visiting us xdude.  Missed your quality posts and sharing your VPS experiences.  Thanks for blessing us with your presence.  Drinks

About VirtualMin.  What would you say would be the minimum specs one should have for a VPS to run VirtualMin comfortably?  I tried VirtualMin on 512MB RAM, but found it dragging a lot.  Would 1GB be comfortable or would one need even more than than 1GB?
#5
(06-30-2016, 04:01 AM)xdude Wrote: A bit late reply but anyway I have moved from KloxoMR to VirtualMin. I really did love KloxoMR but I started having problems and couldn't find solutions even after posting in their support forum. It's developer is very active in support forum which is a great thing but when only one person do all development there is always things which can go wrong.

I have noticed the very same about the forums. Seems one thing would stop working, would get it back up and going and then something else would crash. I ended up going with Sentora. Because there really is not an antispam service with Sentora, I installed Xeams with ClamAV. Works a ton!. As far as security, This POS (peice of $h!t) server is a really an old (Dell) AMD Athlon 5400+ 5 gigs of ram and 750 gig harddrive with CentOS7 x64. It is hosted behind my works 100/100 fiber. It sits right next to me and is behind a SonicWall. I know that Sentora may have issues, however It is what I like and what works really well for me.
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#6
@Genesis

I'm back again after a long time. This time I will try to stick around. Sometimes it's really hard when you caught up with all the work.

About VirtualMin. You can run it with 512MB RAM without a problem I have to identical VPS with same specs and I run VirtualMin in both. One as production VPS and other as test platform before implimenting thing to prodcution server.

I have several Wordpress sites there and usual RAM usage is about 130MB. When you configure VirtualMin it ask how much RAM you have and let you balance things between RAM and CPU. I mean if you have less than 1GB RAM then you get options to configure the server like taking bit more from CPU so RAM be pushed too much. But if your sever has 2GB -2GB Ram then it will take more RAM for mysql and also use activate more spam filters for mail etc, which otherwise would take more CPU.

You can run VirtualMin in 512MB VPS without a problem and you can do bit of tweaking so it would use less RAM. I don't have a 512MB VPS to test these right now or I would have given you more details. Maybe I should request the a vps again and start testing. )

Another cool thing about Ubuntu+VirtualMin combo is  it keeps your system all updated and through VirtualMin panel you can do all updates with few clicks. It always shows you if OS or Module updates avaliable.
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#7
Great to see you back Xdude. Thanks for the updates on VirtualMin. Brilliant post as per your usual high standard. Drinks
#8
@Genesis

Thanks. Glad to be back. This new forum theme looks great. Neat and professional. :)

@dmull

I guess you got a good internet connection with a static IP. I can't say same about what I have. Plus there are other probelms like electricity. So I have started using VPS for everything, for hosting sites and also to do other things like taking backups, using ftp etc. I have heard too many bad things about Sentora but I think most are from those who hated zPanel. But I want to give another try at Kloxo-MR. Not for return back to it but just to see what's new there.
Software and cathedrals are much the same – first we build them, then we pray
#9
to be honest my feeling about these control panels is they are often more trouble than they're worth. 

1.) the introduce unnecessary complexity to an already relatively complex task (administrating a webserver)

1.1) this added layer of complexity does not help if you don't have a strong knowledge of how to administrate a webserver, while the panels are often marketed as making administration easier, they do in fact require you to learn a different method of administration, and inevitably you will still need to be able to make effective use of a terminal for certain tasks.

1.2) if the software fails in some way or crashes, you're now stuck with a terminal which you may have been consciously avoiding by using virtualmin or other cpanel... Sink or swim time!

2.) big gigantic attack vector, anyone who gains access to your virtualmin or similar cp can start running commands over sshd if you've left the default configuration.

3.) I question how safe it is to be using a publically accessible panel like this... I mean I know they must exist for a reason, but somehow I feel safer with ssh.

You really have to consider what is the point of using a panel when you can actually get a LEMP/LAMP stack up and running in about ten minutes via ssh..!
#10
(03-16-2017, 08:37 PM)mjfleming Wrote: to be honest my feeling about these control panels is they are often more trouble than they're worth. 
I guess you're talking about free panels, and not cpanel of course.

I don't think all of the panels are equal though, one needs to do one's home work, and the good ones of today can easily turn into a failed CP of tomorrow. I've gone into VestaCP quite a big way last year, but for my really good Websites, I still prefer cPanel hosting. However, I'm almost certain if I had more time on my hands that I'd be able to use VestaCP as I'm using cPanel. It has some promise.

For most of the other panels, there are some that are OKísh and others one should stay away with, but fortunately there are so many reviews available out there, if one Googled them thoroughly and maybe experimented a little by playing with the CPs, one very soon is able to figure out which ones one should stay away from.
#11
I had installed virtualmin and webmin which I think is one of the really well developed ones, nice interface anyway! But too complex for me! Also I would like to learn shell scripting ! And I'm not sure how secure it is to access shell via browser

Cpanel is very good indeed. I rarely use hosting service mailservers because there can be issues with blacklisting or mail not being sent etc. So I outsource to big 3rd parties, usually my DNS is through CloudFlare or hurricane electric, and I love filezilla 8) so I actually hardly use even Cpanel except for adding domains to a shared hosting plan of course!
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#12
My experience with Virtualmin and Webmin is the same. With Kloxo I'm concerned that there is only one guy who is updating it. I'd be worried about security. You're on the mark about cpanel and e-mail services. It's much better to keep web hosts and e-mail hosts separate. Easy to do as well. I've heard good stuff about Cloudflare, but could be with my experience with being located too far from their regional hub, that it has not been as great.
#13
One reason why Virtualmin looks complex is because we are way too used to cPanel and Virtualmin has a different name for most functions. Plus it has everything offered by WHM and cPanel together so looks crowded. I don't think using shell commands of browser is a big deal as long as security is good. After all it's the whole idea of having a UI based control panel including cPanel.

When it comes to security I think Virtualmin is probbly the best among all free hosting control panels. This is one of the main reasons why I did choose it. It has a profetional group of developers and commerical version (basciallly same version but full support). So they do release timly fixes for anything they find. When was the last time you saw someone screaming about VIrtualmin security breaches ? This is one of the first things I checked on Google.

Another thing about security is the most of these breaches, hacks, attacks happen because of user mistakes or lack of proper server hardening. There are basic security measures everyone must take when configuring a vps and then there are secondry level security measures which everyone should impliment. Usually newbies don't do these and then blame on controls panels. This is one reason why some easy to use panels have so many negative reviews. People use these panels because those are easy to install and use but don't bother about security.
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#14
I have to disagree with you. It's not difficult to mount man in the middle attacks on SSL connections, most large corporations already do this silently on corporate networks. Not that connecting via sshd is totally impervious, if someone were sitting within proximity to me, they could do it, but all a moderately skilled attacker would require is the fully qualified domain name of your VPS or server and they could quite easily I believe spoof your login and snatch your control panel password that way.

I didn't try it but if webmin gives you access to sudo or even worse root privilidges on ssh couldn't the attacker just rm -rf /

It definitely was an impressive piece of software and I was impressed that the VPS was able to run it so smoothly. I just would prefer to spend my time learning the underpinning (which is, really, less productive than other pursuits, but I am having a good time)
#15
You are right about control panels can be hacked too and get certain level of access to root level of server. But again when you look that way even shh move can be hacked if it's done by a seasoned hacker. Most of brute force attacks target ssh users and passwords. I mean after all if they places like FBI and big banks what can save these servers with basic level of security. It's all about how valuable what you have in your server. Automated attacked happen all the time agaist most servers.

I have seen brute force attacks happen all the time. I used to check logs just to understand what kind of attack happening. Many happens from when some idiot think he can do it through a free server or compromized one. But there are some attacks so sopisticated there is no way to stop. Like in one attack happen almost 2 years till i change the server. Someone was running an automated brute force attack using 1000's of computers all around the world. IP Addresses from every country you would imagin. Black Listing ips was a waste of time. But cool thing about brute force is it rarely works if u have good user names and passwords. Problem is when a high level decided to personally take out your server. Not much you can unless you are on same level as him.

Fortunatly those big guys only go after big tragets which can be either look good on them or which they can earn a lot. Most of us are not thay juicy targets so we are safe most of the time with basic server hardening.

Second thing is why we use a control panel. I know most of us fancy about Linux but use Windows for day to day stuff.  I can say same about ssh and control panel. I enjoy working in command line but its not practical for me. I have about 50 my own sites and also there are about 50-60 sites of my clients, work, friends etc which I manage in verious levels. Doing all stuff in shh take too mcuh time and also there is big chance something go wrong and mess whole servers messing up whole networks of sites. So thats why I prefer control panel than ssh. It might be perfect for some but not for everyone. And it's not for me.

I have used control panels about 10 years and only once had a problem. Even that's when I thought I shut down the server. I don't klnow how it go compromised since it didn't even have a control panel installed. That's the only time and never had a server I installed my self hacked or compromized. Probbly because my security is good enough against automated attacks and my data is not important enough to get personal attaction of any of those big time hackers.

Anyway I think we are getting way off topic from the title. Anyone here use Kloxo-MR right now ?
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#16
No. I have just been reading about the security issues... I'm not sure I would be using it in a production environment without doing serious penetration testing offline... it looks like this is a fork done by one person which... doesn't give me great confidence resim

No doubt that you need something like WHM or Virtualmin if you are hosting other people, I wouldn't want to administrate that stuff through ssh no way! For just a couple sites on a VPS though, I feel it is safer to just use ssh. For hosting if I wanted free I'd go with VirtualMin but I plan for WHM in the future when I have more clients ;)
#17
Tell you the truth if Im into Web hosting business like offering shared hosting then I would use only cPanel. Virtualmin is great and really good when you get used to it. But I dont think it would be good for avarage shared hosting user. Interface, names, fuctions all different from cPanel so there is bit of a learning curve. Another thing is I don't think people would be willing to buy shared hosting unless it's cPanel. I mean I wouldn't. haha. cPanel dominate the market and everyone wants it.

Virtualmin is great when you want to have separate shared hosting account but you manage all of those. Kloxo-MR has cPanel look and feel. It's an one man show which is not great and I don't know how he able to do all these stuff and dedicate time for the project. I don't know how good it is security wise but the bad reputation Kloxo has effect this product too. I used it for couple of years and haven't had any security problems but I remember there was a dicussion about it in WHT and few server security experts were not impressed with the software or developers replies for their questions.
Software and cathedrals are much the same – first we build them, then we pray
#18
Verify that your PHP is set up correctly. 

I have used KloxoMR for years and feel it is an awesome branch off the ole Kloxo.

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(09-07-2017, 06:20 PM)beritadunia069 Wrote: Verify that your PHP is set up correctly. 

I have used KloxoMR for years and feel it is an awesome branch off the ole Kloxo.

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 Why do you think that?

Try to make more detailed and informative posts, if you want them to count towards earning hosting or a VPS.
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#20
Do you have screenshot for the panel ? Because i don't find screen on the website
  




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