[Genesis]

I've just come across this topic at a different Forum, and though it was a good one. Which CMS in your opinion comes with the best tools for SEO? And why?

[strokerace]

None of them. SEO has nothing to do with CMS. The tools that they most likely call SEO tools are your standard google SEO tools and one that you may find in your Cpanel. Basically, all you need to do is submit it to a search engine, add some meta tags and keywords and thats it. After a day or so, your site will be index and crawled by the spiders. After that, it all depends on what your site is about and if people are interested in what you have. Nothing hard about it or complicated.

[Genesis]

I disagree Strokerace (respectfully ... ). WordPress and WordPress themes and plugins are created to be SEO friendly.

Wordpress from the beginning of time has come with very easy categories and taglines.
Advanced plugins have been created like Yeost SEO for integrating well with Google Webmaster tools
I don't know of new WP themes that aren't responsive - and responsive means Google friendly and SEO friendly
Drupal and Joomla haven't been created like that. Although one could create it oneself, in Drupal and Joomla, it will take one heck of an effort to equate Wordpress for Google Webmaster tools and SEO integration.
One doesn't even have to load any of the SEO plugins of WP for it to be SEO friendly. It has been built that way with the categories, tags, the way it has been laid out.

OK brace yourself .... here comes more SEO friendly tools of WordPress:

Instant XML Sitemap (RSS Feed and Yoast)
WP Pingomatic automatically pings Google and Bing for you
Human-friendly URLs
Great for social sharing icons
Easy to use page/post editor
CMS options from Woocommerce

[strokerace]

        Those are using the same things that you use when you submit your site to google. Nothing fancy or special about them at all. And where you are getting that the themes are responsive is beyond me. The themes have nothing to do with SEO or google friendly. All of that info is just a play on words.

They use this type of saying to get people to use their products. Nothing more, nothing less. Lets face it, majority of the people using Wp know nothing about coding or how a search engine works. So, they will believe this kind of stuff. You can add of the seo tools you want from Wp and not get traffic to your site if you don't have something people are looking for. In fact, you don't even need to submit your site to google and it will still be index and picked up.

Point in general about this, I have 2 sites. Both are 16 years old. Never been submitted to google or used any SEO tools. Both get around 1000 visitors a month. I haven't done anything to them in the last 10 years.

So, do I need SEO tools?? No I don't. All I have done to them is added some meta data and let search engines do the rest.

Here is something that I just pulled from my site hosted here with gigarank.
Googlebot 32+10 1.41 MB 18 Mar 2016 - 22:40
Unknown robot (identified by 'robot') 1+3 45.61 KB 18 Mar 2016 - 21:34
Unknown robot (identified by 'bot' followed by a space or one of the following characters _+:,.;/\-) 1+1 45.34 KB 02 Mar 2016 - 06:03

This has not been submitted to anything. I have done nothing but install that code. No key words or meta tags added. So, tell me, why would I need SEO tools to get it added to a search engine?

Here is a screen shot from last month

[ValleyDesign]

I disagree Strokerace (respectfully ... ). WordPress and WordPress themes and plugins are created to be SEO friendly.

Wordpress from the beginning of time has come with very easy categories and taglines.
Advanced plugins have been created like Yeost SEO for integrating well with Google Webmaster tools
I don't know of new WP themes that aren't responsive - and responsive means Google friendly and SEO friendly
Drupal and Joomla haven't been created like that. Although one could create it oneself, in Drupal and Joomla, it will take one heck of an effort to equate Wordpress for Google Webmaster tools and SEO integration.
One doesn't even have to load any of the SEO plugins of WP for it to be SEO friendly. It has been built that way with the categories, tags, the way it has been laid out.

OK brace yourself .... here comes more SEO friendly tools of WordPress:

Instant XML Sitemap (RSS Feed and Yoast)
WP Pingomatic automatically pings Google and Bing for you
Human-friendly URLs
Great for social sharing icons
Easy to use page/post editor
CMS options from Woocommerce

I think both Joomla and Wordpress are better in their own ways. I've found myself leaning towards WordPress the past year or so. The easy to learn Control panel makes it a bit easier to teach clients how to manage their articles / media without multiple crash courses on the UI. Joomla! is a bit more flexible as far as scalability and extensions.

[speedsonic]

Wordpress so many plugins to choose from, so many tutorials and help forums

[fitkoh]

I don't know of new WP themes that aren't responsive - and responsive means Google friendly and SEO friendly

And where you are getting that the themes are responsive is beyond me. The themes have nothing to do with SEO or google friendly. All of that info is just a play on words.

Firstly, I would substantiate the statement regarding responsiveness. More specifically responsive is also used to describe a web page which will adapt to the device its being viewed on ie an old 15 inch monitor, a new widescreen monitor, a phone, a tablet. A website which is considered responsive will change so it looks good and readable no matter how you're viewing it.

Secondly, responsiveness does indeed have something to do with SEO. Google (and probably other search engines too) have adjusted responsiveness into their ranking algorithms, and web sites that do not include a responsive design will have a lesser ranking compared with those that do.

@Stokerace I would say that you definitely do not need SEO tools nor should you feel compelled to start using a CMS to revamp your old sites. I've always preferred to code by hand, and security issues are more easily avoidable when you can track the flow of data, something that isn't always easy with a CMS.
However, if you wanted to increase your traffic beyond 1000 hits a month you might benefit from implementing responsiveness in your designs. Also, with the age of your sites there may be some other opportunities there. When you last updated them 10 years ago, did you add in stylesheets? I'm pretty sure stylesheets hadn't been invented 16 years ago, but nowadays google will penalize your ranking if you declare your background/fonts/etc the old fashioned way. Do your sites have any tables? Tables are deprecated in HTML5 and will also hinder your ranking (if that's something you're concerned with)

Another consideration regarding SEO/CMS is load times. For SEO purposes, you should try to keep your load times below 2 seconds. Also remember that the physical location of your server can have an impact on load times, and just because you're near your server and it loads fast for your doesn't mean it'll load fast for everyone else.

I found this article which touches on the subject and also includes some nice benchmarking of the performance of several popular CMS

http://www.yottaa.com/company/blog/appli...spots-cos/

[arrdiendo4]

A CMS for SEO it's not the best idea,but,if you want to use a CMS,I think the best is wordpress,because it has a lot of SEO-friendly plugins

[davenull]

wordpress for websites/blogs and smf for forums.
i was an ex wordpress/smf developer :)

[somik]

Wordpress with SEO enabled is good enough. You can also look into Durpal.

[triphip]

By far WordPress is best for SEO. Not even counting permalinks structure or what theme author's can do in terms of optimization, but the amount of plugins available to you are fanastic for SEO:

- Yoast SEO
- 404 to Homepage (to keep link juice)
- Caching plugins for speed

etc.

Also, the themes available now are almost all mobile optimized which is key for SEO.

[eclisseweb]

If is configured in the right way I think that joomla is good for Seo. The seo of the depends from the content too.

[otoweb]

Joomla is quite good in terms of seo.
You just need to know how to do it.
There is no need for any extensions.
A good hosting, a good responsive theme and a joomla.

[seiji]

In my opinion it all depends on how you configure, if you use wordpress, it sure will be easier for you to work, a person who uses joomla is sure to be easier joomla

[s-abbasi]

CodeIgniter & Joomla is quite good in terms of seo.

[Genesis]

CodeIgniter & Joomla is quite good in terms of seo.

For a quality posts, why do you think they are good in terms of SEO?

[Chope]

Codeigniter is a miniature php framework and not cms.
Joomla use to be great pre 2010, don't know if I can still vouch for them of present.

Saying that cms has no effect on seo is not entirely true. Popular blogging platform turn cms - WordPress currently has a special Google dedicated marker for index and ranking (depends on many factors).
Google has probably mastered a default schema (I know there may be a variation as a result if various themes and plugins), it will certainly not take Google time to get used to most sites running on the platform.

WordPress wins hands down here, Joomla & Drupal may still be close but one thing for sure, none is half as reputable as WordPress.
Thanks.

[azimut]

Very well from the seo box is configured in cms opencart

[CynthiaBetty]

Well CMS doesn't have any effect on SEO whereas CMS like WordPress allow users to make the optimization process smooth. Like installing cache and WordPress CDN can solve the page loading speed, SEO Yoast plugin can fix the on page factors. I would personally recommend you to use WordPress due user friendly interface as well vast majority of free online support. All the best

[SonLight]

Well CMS doesn't have any effect on SEO whereas CMS like WordPress allow users to make the optimization process smooth. Like installing cache and WordPress CDN can solve the page loading speed, SEO Yoast plugin can fix the on page factors. I would personally recommend you to use WordPress due user friendly interface as well vast majority of free online support. All the best

I agree that Wordpress is easy to use and configure. It is probably the best choice for a first-time blogger, and quite adequate for most people's needs. Your claim that choice of CMS is irrelevant to SEO seems a bit exaggerated though; I believe custom features are worthwhile but not required for good SEO. While Wordpress has  a lot of plugins, I think that the ability to easily hand-code additions is important in the long run if you want  a unique site, whether for SEO or esthetic reasons.

[iwsm]

ofcourse WordPress is the best CMS for SEO and + Wordpress is also more Stable , Speedy and Secure than other CMSs.

[khoshbin]

Wordpress is the most compeleted and fastest in speed and have high security with professional plugins like "All in One Seo Pack" and you can easily SEO Your website automatically without any knowloedge of Search Engine Optimization.and also having user frindly interface to use TAGS for all indexes.

[ninjafx]

I recommend you use cms from wordpress to build a website, because the website itself has many plugins that you can use to make your website more professional, you have to use wordpress cms, one of which is that WordPress has many plugins related to SEO, but I recommend using the Yoast SEO plugin, this plugin has a free version that only focuses on one keyphrase keyword, while for the premium version you can use focus on the 4 keyphrase keywords, of course if you want to use premium you have to spend a little money, but if you just want using the free version you should use the free version because the features offered are enough to support the SEO optimization of each article post you make, hopefully it helps.

[ninjafx]

Well CMS doesn't have any effect on SEO whereas CMS like WordPress allow users to make the optimization process smooth. Like installing cache and WordPress CDN can solve the page loading speed, SEO Yoast plugin can fix the on page factors. I would personally recommend you to use WordPress due user friendly interface as well vast majority of free online support. All the best

for CDN use I suggest using a third party CDN in addition to being safe and lightening the server load and also making our website avoid DDOS attacks and others, I myself use wordpress cms and use CDN from cloudflare so that my website becomes lighter, safer with features SSL, and increase visitor traffic because visitors do not lose their time due to the long loading of web pages or even when the server is down, even though the server is down the website can still serve visitors because visitors use the CDN cache from cloudflare.