Alternative Framework for Responsive Design

GigaGreg

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Schwabs said:
I'm just starting to learn bootstrap, I'll look into it and see if it's any easier for me to code :p

Pretty much the same, both of them have similar markup which is very nice :)
 
Genesis said:
Just picked up on a Framework that a user at another hosting forum describes as easier and "lighter" to use than Bootstrap. Looks worth checking out:

http://www.amazium.co.uk/

It shows examples of Websites that are using its Framework. Some nice ones there:
http://www.jellyfish.co.uk/
http://www.carmelitawine.com/

Just check the CSS stylesheets. Code is immaculately written.

The CSS is crap. Too busy and full of security holes. The whole page for the wine site took 2 mins to load. I read the whole view source before the background images loaded. The jellyfish one is not much better. Anything that takes more then 1 sec to load is not a good site or coded correctly.
 

Genesis

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strokerace said:
Genesis said:
Just picked up on a Framework that a user at another hosting forum describes as easier and "lighter" to use than Bootstrap. Looks worth checking out:

http://www.amazium.co.uk/

It shows examples of Websites that are using its Framework. Some nice ones there:
http://www.jellyfish.co.uk/
http://www.carmelitawine.com/

Just check the CSS stylesheets. Code is immaculately written.

The CSS is crap. Too busy and full of security holes. The whole page for the wine site took 2 mins to load. I read the whole view source before the background images loaded. The jellyfish one is not much better. Anything that takes more then 1 sec to load is not a good site or coded correctly.
Thanks for the feedback. What are the security holes you found?
 
Genesis said:
strokerace said:
Genesis said:
Just picked up on a Framework that a user at another hosting forum describes as easier and "lighter" to use than Bootstrap. Looks worth checking out:

http://www.amazium.co.uk/

It shows examples of Websites that are using its Framework. Some nice ones there:
http://www.jellyfish.co.uk/
http://www.carmelitawine.com/

Just check the CSS stylesheets. Code is immaculately written.

The CSS is crap. Too busy and full of security holes. The whole page for the wine site took 2 mins to load. I read the whole view source before the background images loaded. The jellyfish one is not much better. Anything that takes more then 1 sec to load is not a good site or coded correctly.
Thanks for the feedback. What are the security holes you found?

Too many files and scripts being used. The more you link and use, the greater the security issue. The more files used, the harder it is to keep secure. There is no forms on the page so its harder for SQL injections. But that is just on the main page. I never checked any further as the sites look like crap in my opinion, so I never looked around.
 

Genesis

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True. There is also something going on with the Java files as I was unable to open them in my computer.

Have you tried any of the other frameworks and what is your opinion in general about the use of frameworks like bootstrap?
 

Genesis

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I don't know much about Bootstrap myself. The understanding I have is that it is code that someone has provided for a fee that could help as a template framework for responsive sites. It uses a grid system. It's complicated enough so one has to do a course or two or struggle with it a bit in order to use it properly. Once an understanding has been arrived at, and one is a bootstrap experienced user, you're in a good responsive position.

You're right of course. All your script kids need to do is to study the bootstrap files. There are hundreds of thousands of bootstrap enthusiasts using it, it has to provide hacking opportunities for getting in, same as WordPress is providing.

I'm on your page that simple code is still the best policy for security. Once one has got down the basics for responsive design, it should be effortless to incorporate simple code. Instead of a mad rush after the herd.
 
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sisepi133

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Genesis, regarding your question there are a lot of frameworks that can do what bootstrap offers... someones a bit more, someones a bit less.

Foundation
Zimit
InK
HTML KickStart
Kickstrap
HTML5 Boilerplate
Skeleton

...so on

On the other hand, you can do nice and fancy things with smaller ones like Pure (the yahoo ui) and others too.

Of course you have to choose the one it fits your needs.
 

Snowflake

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sisepi133 said:
Genesis, regarding your question there are a lot of frameworks that can do what bootstrap offers... someones a bit more, someones a bit less.

Foundation
Zimit
InK
HTML KickStart
Kickstrap
HTML5 Boilerplate
Skeleton

...so on

On the other hand, you can do nice and fancy things with smaller ones like Pure (the yahoo ui) and others too.

Of course you have to choose the one it fits your needs.

You mentioned "Ink". I would like to test it out because I've seen some sites using it around here but I have no idea where to start. Just like any of the others you all mentioned before.
 

Pau

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Foundation by Zurb is my favorite framework, at least until Bootstrap 4 get out ( I'm currently testing alpha release that seems to have good improvements)
 

GigaGreg

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Pau said:
Foundation by Zurb is my favorite framework, at least until Bootstrap 4 get out ( I'm currently testing alpha release that seems to have good improvements)

You have no idea what you are loosing with Bootstrap 3.1 right now. I think it is way better than Foundation as there are more open source snippets and scripts for bs than foundation.
 

markovica

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Bootstrap is probably too big and complicated for most of the projects, and too small for some. It really depends on the project and the CMS used (if used at all). For example, I consider Bootstrap to be one of the bad choices to use within Drupal, even if it is one of the most popular base themes. It is just too big (unnecessary) and sometimes conflicting with core scripts.
I would stick with some minimalistic responsive CSS framework and a responsive menu script for most projects (Amazium looks exactly like that). Only for the project involving the design of both backend and frontend, I would consider Bootstrap (even if there are better suited frameworks for this kind of job).