Are you scared from the Corona-virus pandemic?

AdamElr

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[font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]TrendForce issued a report on the impact of the COVID-19 outbreak, with the latest data as of February 14, 2020. And below is very short summary of it [/font]
[font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]Semiconductors[/font][font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]Will be affected and will see a decline in shipment in quarter 1 [/font]
[font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]Memory Products[/font][font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]Will not be impacted [/font]
[font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]Panels[/font][font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]Possible price increase .[/font]
[font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]Telecommunications[/font][font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]1. Optical Communications Industry[/font][font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]Possible decline in shipment [/font]
[font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]2. IoT Industry[/font][font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]Remains un affected in the short run [/font]
[font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]3. 5G Industry[/font][font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]Will affect the roll out of 5g globally [/font]
[font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]Green Energy[/font][font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]1. LED[/font][font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]Will remain un affected [/font]
[font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]2. Lithium-Ion Batteries[/font][font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]Will remain un affected [/font]
[font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]3. Photovoltaics[/font][font=Comic Sans MS,cursive][/font]
[font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]Consumer Electronics and Automobiles[/font][font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]1. Wearables[/font][font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]Will remain un affected [/font]
[font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]2. Smartphones[/font][font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]Will be affected and we may witness the greatest drop on sales for years[/font]
[font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]3. Notebooks, LCD monitors, and LCD TVs[/font][font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]Will be affected and we may witness the greatest drop on sales for years[/font][font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]4. Video Game Consoles[/font][font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]Will not be affected [/font]
[font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]5. Smart Speakers[/font][font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]Will not be affected [/font]
[font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]6. Automobiles[/font][font=Comic Sans MS,cursive]Will be slightly affected

What else you think will be affected by the CORONA VIRUS latest outbreak?
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Genesis

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I some times wonder whether this is providing a break to the world. We've been subjected by economic warfare from China for decades. Our markets could not compete with their cheap products (in price - but also in quality most of the time), and were completely swamped with millions losing their jobs in the West. They invaded everywhere, i.e. took up presence in the countries where they exported their trade and products, and employed citizens of China only where they took up physical economic presence. I was in Vancouver, Canada and saw that happening first hand. They even competed aggressively for jobs in the market, prepared to work for less so brought salaries down as well.

At one point I thought this virus was non-political and Facebook was spreading fake news about the origins of it. We will never know. Possibly it is fake news, but at the same time it looks as though we're not only facing a virus that makes people sick, but a virus about virus information some of it that is fake information. People are pulling it in any direction they wish to create economic stories that suit them. We're already faced with so many lies, so I guess we're now going to get lies about lies. Even the statistics of Corona Virus cases are now being doubted as well. I don't think there is truth any longer and people are making it up as they go. We still don't know the exact source of the virus. But what we know is there is more fiction about the virus than facts, which maybe makes it dangerous that way. How can countries prepare themselves properly if so much misinformation is allowed to go round in the world - particularly about the source of the virus, the number of cases and fatalities and an anti-dote?
 

hunky

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Impact?

Prices of electronics are the immediate issue. Slowly, they are increasing. Every day there is a small hike & it's going up.

My country India manufacturer a lot of medicine & that gets exported too. Domestically medicine prices are regulated so we didn't see any impact of price hike but supply is effected since businesses are finding way more profit in exporting to markets without any regulations at a very high premium.

Even other unrelated madical supplies are hit too since lot of the manufacturing raw material supply is hit. Many drag manufacturing companies are issuing advance warnings since they are running out of their stock of raw materials needed to run production.

Car manufacturers & other industries are too facing production issues since many smaller but important things needed to run their operations were imported from countries like China & import is basically stopped completely till further notice.

Although alternative arrangements were made from costlier import options from South Korea or Japan but even those countries too are now facing outbreak issues & they may too soon close their borders.

World Economy is interconnected at level that is beyond our imagination. This one virus may show us the effect of World Trade Shutdown scenario.

The only relief is it's mortality rate of 2%. Gives us time & opportunity to endure a long wait for the cure or vaccine.

Things will surely recover soon since everyone & every country is dead serious with this matter & enemies too are joining forces to combat it. Till then, it will continue to hamper the entire non infected world with its financial impact.
 

Genesis

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I don't as a rule believe in conspiracy theories, but if you check the honest statistics about the death rate of the corona virus it is just a little more than the common flu. So for me I wouldn't completely disbelieve a conspiracy theory that thinks that China created the hype around the Corona virus deliberately as a way to increase a price war. SARS virus was much worse than the Corona Virus with a much worse fatality rate, yet there was no hype surrounding economy doomsday scenarios.

I believe that it is real that the prices are going up, but I also believe that there is a good chance that the media upheaval about economies going down has been created with a higher purpose and hasn't got anything to do with a deadly disease. More about countries fighting with one another with price hikes. Looks as though the US China rate crisis was solved uniquely by China its own way. And as per usual the little guy like you and me are collateral damage in all of this. We also help everything along by carrying messages in Facebook pages and stories to friends, exactly the way China wants it to be.

in the meanwhile those looking for a reason to put their prices up now have the Corona Virus to hide behind. Even though it's not as deadly as they want to make you believe it is.
 

hunky

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Tech companies did similar acts before to use some bad news to inflate their prices. Few acts are so blatant that everyone understood the trick within a few day.

Like, for example, 2011/12 Thiland Flood & subsequent hard drive price increase. Things went normal within couple of weeks but HDD prices were inflated as high as 150% over their pre flood prices & never came down till 3/4 years went by.

By the way, this profit thing has nothing to do with geographic boundaries. Investors & top officials, basically that special 1% of the world makes all the money.

Surely this price increase thing is here to stay & corona isn't going anywhere within next few months & then these companies & media houses will lecture us on how the ripple effect will keep the prices inflated for years to come.

Just like that example I mentioned above. Thiland Flood & hard disk prices.
 

binil

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I don't think that Corona is as dangerous as its named to be. People who got infected and got treatment early are safe and sound in my state - Kerala, South India.
https://theprint.in/health/isolatio...rala-is-treating-coronavirus-patients/364092/

https://www.livemint.com/news/india...ed-the-coronavirus-crisis-11583165651726.html

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ading-the-kerala-way/articleshow/74493702.cmshttps://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...-the-nipah-virus-outbreak/article24060538.ece

As many said before me, Corona patients have much better chance of survival.

The thing is people are panicking, spreading rumors.. We saw this during Nipah outbreak in 2018 in Kerala and now this is happening across the entire world.
 

Genesis

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binil said:
I don't think that Corona is as dangerous as its named to be. People who got infected and got treatment early are safe and sound in my state - Kerala, South India.
https://theprint.in/health/isolatio...rala-is-treating-coronavirus-patients/364092/
I think as long as the number of cases are manageable, then it will be OK, however the problem is when you have more cases than can be treated. Like thousands of cases. So as long as the numbers can be managed in Kerala, it will be OK, but when there are more cases than can be treated and for which there are resources available, there may be a problem. I wonder whether people can be taught how to treat themselves at home?
 
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claeg

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There has been allot of panic and shut downs because of this problem, people don't know how to react and what to buy so they are easily influenced by Facebook mom posts and lies, what do you think?
 

hunky

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As long as it was something far away thing, definitely things were simple. Reading about it, discussing about it, frankly joking about it too. However my location puts me very close to an international border (Kolkata, India - First Major city close to Border with Bangladesh / Vutan & main entry point).

Just today, government setup a special correntien facility in a District Hospital close to my place. Mainly to process all international or returning people plus they shut down the border crossing entirely.

Definitely that hightened the scare.

Being at young age, most of us aren't that vulnerable to the flu but unfortunately old age family members are the main reason for which I am scared. Some of them already had heart surgeries or under medication for such respiratory issues. Corona / Covid 19 is deadly for these people.

There is no way we can shut of our daily routine & it would be too late for them to escape if we bring the virus home !!

So yeah, scared & worried.
 
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estodo

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People are very panicked at the situation. Just stay home and go to the ER when it's really necessary.
 
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Xrfe

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they talk about 50 to 70% of the world population could be infected, countries close their borders we are in a new situation, but the after virus situation may be complicated...
 

Peter

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I'm not particularly scared of the virus itself. What scares me is all the measures put in place to combat it.

I think it's too late to stop it. Now it's just a matter of slowing it down so that the health system doesn't gets overloaded and perhaps also hope for a vaccine before too many people in the risk groups get infected.
 

hunky

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Stupidity too making this worst. People returning from high risk hot spot are simply avoiding basic self isolation rules.

Here in India majority of these cases which spread the infection further are direct result of these people not following one basic instruction of the authorities. That's, staying isolated for two weeks !!
 
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TimingDevs

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I'm not particularly scared of the virus itself. What scares me is all the measures put in place to combat it.

I think it's too late to stop it. Now it's just a matter of slowing it down so that the health system doesn't gets overloaded and perhaps also hope for a vaccine before too many people in the risk groups get infected.
 

Genesis

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Every one assumes that the case stats are 100% accurate. Yet, surely we know that the level of sophistication of taking the tests, compiling the reports, timing of adding those cases would differ from one country to another. Also, those cases that are counted are only cases that have been tested. So I'd like to question how the stats are tested internationally. For example, there was a HUGE spike in China on 13 February, and afterwards they admitted that there were borderline cases they were not sure were Corona, and they got shifted to the side, until 13 February, when all those cases were added into the stats.

I'm almost sure the first single digit stats are very authentic. But once the virus spreads, there are so many unknowns that may affect the counting of the cases. So I'd like to have the case count in India for example verified, as for me it makes sense that with its huge population, it is inevitable that cases must be increasing fast. Possibly not every one has been tested yet, or some of the results have not been returned or confirmed yet or recorded perfectly because of how big the country is. Ditto many other countries of the world. I'd say Europe may have certain instance of cases that don't get tested where the testing infrastructure is weak. But in overall I'd trust the counting of the cases as in Europe where there is a unifying organisation like the EU that has a sophisticated infrastructure in place and also system of counting cases. China, which is a dictatorship, and controls everything, I'm not so sure I trust everything that comes out of their reports. Ditto Russia. But in the US there is a chance that their cases would be recorded near to accurate, even though they have a shortage of testing kits. I don't think their counting would be as perfect as that in Europe, but it would be a good indication of how the Corona is spreading.

The world has a good test case with China but at the same time, because Europe is not a dictatorship, it didn't act as decisively as China in closing its borders and block flights from China early enough. So that created a huge problem for countries in Europe with many daily flights from China.

I don't know where this statistic comes from. But Government leaders in South Africa say that the chances of 60% of the total population being infected before the virus settles are good, if not serious steps are taken. Good news however is that only 20% of those cases will turn out to be serious. The majority of cases are not life threatening. The serious 20% of cases are the elderly, or people with chronic diseases, or other infectious diseases like TB and HIV. Only 6% of the fatalities to date have been children, and usually because they had other health issues already. I've heard other theories too. That the virus is more virulent in cold climate than hot climate. It's summer in South Africa and autumn will start in April. Most of the 201 cases today in South Africa originated from countries in cold climates, i.e. visitors from Europe. But since the end of last week, the beginning started of locally transmitted Corona virus and that I agree with @hunky the infections once active don't care about climate. They say once stats have passed 50, then it just escalates in leaps and bounds.

Like @hunky also said, eventually people will start to build an immunity against the virus as well as vaccines developed so that it may settle in as a seasonal flu. I believe that is true. What I also believe is that what makes this virus stand out is because of how virulent and aggressive it is. For example in Canada they had a serious issue where when people with Corona virus were treated in a medical center, the Corona was passed on to the health workers as well. Canada is relatively sophisticated with its medical systems, so it's not so much a sign of negligence, but possibly underestimating how virulent the virus is. Like people don't have to have the Corona flu or flu systems to be positive carriers of the virus. They can still pass it on even if they test negative for the virus. That's how they came through the airports and the systems at airports failed to pick up on them. By the time they have traveled on to their final destination after arriving from Europe for example, they've already passed the virus on to others and infected them.

I've made my peace that there is a reasonable good chance I can get the virus. I will follow the rules around here of keeping a respectful distance, washing hands etc. but one can't control everything around one and at a certain point one needs to go to the shop to buy bread and milk and interact with other people. Hopefully I will be in the 80% of cases that won't be that bad and it will turn out to be just a nasty flu, but if it is in the 20% side of very serious cases with respiratory lung issues, I can only hope that I get diagnosed in time and the medical system is not too overcrowded that I can receive the right kind of treatment in a hospital. Like that's also at the epicenter of all of those fatalities in Italy and Iran. Not being diagnosed in time, and having a medical system that is too overcrowded to be able to treat every one equally and perfectly.
 
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kozhinmahdi

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we should not be scared, we all die wether it is tomorrow or 70 years from now, but we should also take care and protect ourselves in the meanwhile.
 

Genesis

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kozhinmahdi said:
we should not be scared, we all die wether it is tomorrow or 70 years from now, but we should also take care and protect ourselves in the meanwhile.

True. I find however that the more you check up on the facts from reliable sources and inform yourself, the less fearsome you will be. We usually are scared of the unknown. Knowledge is power.

You're right however. Eventually we all are going to die. Some sooner than others. What is that saying is that all that we can really be certain about is death and taxes.
 

Peter

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Genesis said:
I'd say Europe may have certain instance of cases that don't get tested where the testing infrastructure is weak. But in overall I'd trust the counting of the cases as in Europe where there is a unifying organisation like the EU that has a sophisticated infrastructure in place and also system of counting cases.
I don't know how it is elsewhere but here in Sweden they no longer try to test everyone. Instead they focus the testing mostly on hospitalised patients and health/elderly care workers. People with non-serious symptoms of cold or flu are just urged to stay at home. This will undoubtedly lead to a lot of unrecorded cases.