Are you scared from the Corona-virus pandemic?

Genesis

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Yozora said:
It's interesting that you mention Trump negotiating tough deals...I've mostly just heard of him annoying foreign leaders and doing things like try to buy Greenland. The recent Axios interview with Trump also made me wonder if Trump cares that people are still dying from the pandemic. He seemed more interested in making himself look good. Perhaps the media slanted their coverage of the interview unfairly though. I wish Trump wasn't constantly bashing people on Twitter, and tried to act at least a little more presidential. He's burned too many bridges with women and minorities for me to consider voting for him, but Biden is also kind of a disappointment... Sometimes I wish that the US had tons of major political parties, like I've heard some European countries have. At least that way there would be more of a choice and I wouldn't feel pressured to vote for the "lesser of two evils" all the time... There are a couple smaller parties here, but they have no chance of winning and if someone votes for them it's kind of like wasting a vote
You're right. It is interesting. Like media noise. Which leads me to believe if our main source of info is the media we would never know what is going on. For me Trump is a strong personality, and he doesn't care what the media thinks of him. He negotiated some cut throat deals with Canada which was easy, as the Prime Minister of Canada, Trudeau is a real pushover. All Trump had to do is threaten and do his usual stage shows in Twitter and he got the maximum deal for the US. On the popularity front with Canada US went down a few notches, but who cares, Canada is so super dependent on the economy of the US, what choice does it really have? Trump is also very tough about China, which I personally like very much. Some of his Twitter and other speeches may sound nonsensical and possibly not to be taken seriously, but again that is just a stage show. It was high time for the US to take a stand against China and he helped to do that. At least he is engaging the US enemies on their home turf, like North Korea, and more. He has the ability for creating big media storms around anything he says and then through that highlighting the issue on hand. He's definitely not a wimp. For sure. I love it that he refers to the Corona Virus as the China virus. That is what I think it should be named as well. :p

Hopefully this Covid 19 virus will pass soon as I think it's getting to me. I'm itching to get around more freely, but I guess this is just the time when I shouldn't be even thinking about that. Until there is no vaccine yet, and a vaccine that is proven to work without side effects, I guess we'll never be able to rest easy.
 

mazl

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Genesis said:
Yozora said:
It's interesting that you mention Trump negotiating tough deals...I've mostly just heard of him annoying foreign leaders and doing things like try to buy Greenland. The recent Axios interview with Trump also made me wonder if Trump cares that people are still dying from the pandemic. He seemed more interested in making himself look good. Perhaps the media slanted their coverage of the interview unfairly though. I wish Trump wasn't constantly bashing people on Twitter, and tried to act at least a little more presidential. He's burned too many bridges with women and minorities for me to consider voting for him, but Biden is also kind of a disappointment... Sometimes I wish that the US had tons of major political parties, like I've heard some European countries have. At least that way there would be more of a choice and I wouldn't feel pressured to vote for the "lesser of two evils" all the time... There are a couple smaller parties here, but they have no chance of winning and if someone votes for them it's kind of like wasting a vote
You're right. It is interesting. Like media noise. Which leads me to believe if our main source of info is the media we would never know what is going on. For me Trump is a strong personality, and he doesn't care what the media thinks of him. He negotiated some cut throat deals with Canada which was easy, as the Prime Minister of Canada, Trudeau is a real pushover. All Trump had to do is threaten and do his usual stage shows in Twitter and he got the maximum deal for the US. On the popularity front with Canada US went down a few notches, but who cares, Canada is so super dependent on the economy of the US, what choice does it really have? Trump is also very tough about China, which I personally like very much. Some of his Twitter and other speeches may sound nonsensical and possibly not to be taken seriously, but again that is just a stage show. It was high time for the US to take a stand against China and he helped to do that. At least he is engaging the US enemies on their home turf, like North Korea, and more. He has the ability for creating big media storms around anything he says and then through that highlighting the issue on hand. He's definitely not a wimp. For sure. I love it that he refers to the Corona Virus as the China virus. That is what I think it should be named as well. :p

Hopefully this Covid 19 virus will pass soon as I think it's getting to me. I'm itching to get around more freely, but I guess this is just the time when I shouldn't be even thinking about that. Until there is no vaccine yet, and a vaccine that is proven to work without side effects, I guess we'll never be able to rest easy.


I can hardly agree your opinion.
Sorry if my words offended you.

Currently we only know the virus first detected in China,But we don't know whether the Chinese created the virus.And if so,why there are so many infections in China?

Just like 2009 swine flu,the first outbreak is from north America,but we don't call the virus "America-variation of H1N1 virus".
 

Genesis

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mazl said:
And if so,why there are so many infections in China?

Just like 2009 swine flu,the first outbreak is from north America,but we don't call the virus "America-variation of H1N1 virus".
I don't understand the question about how many infections there are/were in China, however, the swine flu that originated in Mexico, was not as politicized as the China flu. It was also not as viral.

All those countries who maintained open airport borders from China destinations paid a huge price for keeping those borders open. They did it because they were waiting for directives from the World Health Organization, which in hind sight had been very much depending on the China authorities to lead them. Too much so that the US accused the WHO of being under the thumb of China.

China failed to warn the West about the intensity of the virus and didn't provide the World Health Organization with enough urgency to announce the pandemic early enough - possibly because in the beginning China wanted to protect its own economy. The China leaders over and over accused the doctors in China of getting things wrong. So I would never compare the swine flu in Mexico with the pandemic that originated in China. The swine flu was always under the medical and public health authorities power and Government leaders depended on their public health specialists - not so much the Corona Virus.

The Corona Virus was a full scale pandemic that got lots of attention from Governments and their leaders - including China leaders. And as per usual there was gross mismanagement by all of the politicians, including China. I'm all for an investigation that has been requested by Australia to the WHO about the China management of the virus when it started. But don't have much faith in it ever really getting to the truth, since China is a closed and despotic country where the Government gets to control the truth. It has a very good record of lack of freedom of the press. And its people. I think China medical standards and of their doctors are very high. But doctors don't have freedom of speaking the truth. So maybe we will never get to the real truth.
 

mazl

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Genesis said:
mazl said:
And if so,why there are so many infections in China?

Just like 2009 swine flu,the first outbreak is from north America,but we don't call the virus "America-variation of H1N1 virus".
I don't understand the question about how many infections there are/were in China, however, the swine flu that originated in Mexico, was not as politicized as the China flu. It was also not as viral.

All those countries who maintained open airport borders from China destinations paid a huge price for keeping those borders open. They did it because they were waiting for directives from the World Health Organization, which in hind sight had been very much depending on the China authorities to lead them. Too much so that the US accused the WHO of being under the thumb of China.

China failed to warn the West about the intensity of the virus and didn't provide the World Health Organization with enough urgency to announce the pandemic early enough - possibly because in the beginning China wanted to protect its own economy. The China leaders over and over accused the doctors in China of getting things wrong. So I would never compare the swine flu in Mexico with the pandemic that originated in China. The swine flu was always under the medical and public health authorities power and Government leaders depended on their public health specialists - not so much the Corona Virus.

The Corona Virus was a full scale pandemic that got lots of attention from Governments and their leaders - including China leaders. And as per usual there was gross mismanagement by all of the politicians, including China. I'm all for an investigation that has been requested by Australia to the WHO about the China management of the virus when it started. But don't have much faith in it ever really getting to the truth, since China is a closed and despotic country where the Government gets to control the truth. It has a very good record of lack of freedom of the press. And its people. I think China medical standards and of their doctors are very high. But doctors don't have freedom of speaking the truth. So maybe we will never get to the real truth.

Well,though I don't fully agree you,but I respect your opinion.

And,ugh yes,I have to admit that sometimes they have to control the news atmosphere.
(Actually a doctor first warned the covid-19 in a not-very-serious tone,and then he got warned for spreading myth)
 

Yozora

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Genesis said:
You're right. It is interesting. Like media noise. Which leads me to believe if our main source of info is the media we would never know what is going on. For me Trump is a strong personality, and he doesn't care what the media thinks of him. He negotiated some cut throat deals with Canada which was easy, as the Prime Minister of Canada, Trudeau is a real pushover. All Trump had to do is threaten and do his usual stage shows in Twitter and he got the maximum deal for the US. On the popularity front with Canada US went down a few notches, but who cares, Canada is so super dependent on the economy of the US, what choice does it really have? Trump is also very tough about China, which I personally like very much. Some of his Twitter and other speeches may sound nonsensical and possibly not to be taken seriously, but again that is just a stage show. It was high time for the US to take a stand against China and he helped to do that. At least he is engaging the US enemies on their home turf, like North Korea, and more. He has the ability for creating big media storms around anything he says and then through that highlighting the issue on hand. He's definitely not a wimp. For sure. I love it that he refers to the Corona Virus as the China virus. That is what I think it should be named as well. :p

Hopefully this Covid 19 virus will pass soon as I think it's getting to me. I'm itching to get around more freely, but I guess this is just the time when I shouldn't be even thinking about that. Until there is no vaccine yet, and a vaccine that is proven to work without side effects, I guess we'll never be able to rest easy.
Yeah, I really wish it was easier to find unbiased news...Often reading different news sources surprise me with just how different the same news stories can look when people put different slants on their reporting.

The thing is, because of Trump calling it "The China Virus" discrimination against Asian people has gone up here, and I don't want people like my Asian and Asian-American friends to have to deal with that. Some of the stories they're told me about what they've dealt with because of their race are pretty awful to hear. What a president says about other countries often has an effect on how immigrants and racial minorities are treated, unfortunately. I strongly believe that the US's diversity is a strength, but it seems like there are a lot of Americans who hate immigrants and will use any excuse to treat them worse. That's not the kind of thing I want to happen in the US, and I worry about the safety of my Asian & Asian-American friends.

I hear you...colleges have started to have in-person classes here, even though it looks like students and staff are getting sick, because the colleges need the students' tuition and dorm fee money to pay the bills. Meanwhile schools are all online-only, thank goodness... A ton of local restaurants have closed for good, and local events are still cancelled. It feels as if this will never end, but I've got to hope that it will.

Julian1 said:
Idk I kinda like it
That's interesting...Why do you like it? I guess the free time saved by not having to travel to events and things is a bonus, but having to wear a mask everywhere, seeing the death/infection statistics rising, and not being able to gather in groups or get close to people isn't that great, at least to me. If you live in a place with very few cases and the social distancing restrictions have already been lifted it's probably a different story though. Are new cases lessening where you are?
 

Peter

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Just as I feared... The summer is over and the cases are rising here again. Not so much where I live but in other parts of the country. I visited a family member just 2 days before he started showing symptoms that later turned out to be Covid-19. He seems to have had a mild case. He will probably go back to work any day now. His taste haven't fully recovered though.
 

Genesis

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Peter said:
Just as I feared... The summer is over and the cases are rising here again. Not so much where I live but in other parts of the country. I visited a family member just 2 days before he started showing symptoms that later turned out to be Covid-19. He seems to have had a mild case. He will probably go back to work any day now. His taste haven't fully recovered though.

Are you worried that you may get the virus too Peter? Sorry you have to go through this. Am glad however it was a mild case. Would he have to be tested before he goes back to work?
 

Peter

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Genesis said:
Are you worried that you may get the virus too Peter? Sorry you have to go through this. Am glad however it was a mild case. Would he have to be tested before he goes back to work?
I was a bit worried at first but when I heard it was two full days after we met that he started to have symptoms I became less worried. No, I don't think he will be tested again. He should stay home for at least seven days, counted from the day he started to have symptoms, and he should have been feeling well and not had a fever for at least two days (source).
 
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An0nK3k

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No not really. But here it is getting worse and i agree with the partly lockdown. Same thing for wearing masks. Doesn't invade my life a single bit. Tous Ensemble. If people keep ignoring it this wil not go away any time soon.
 
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Joogz556

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No not really I've gotten used to covid-19 since it's been a while since it started the only thing I dont like is the people who try to say it's fake and "not real" is just stupid.
 
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VaniMiniGames

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Here in Spain, people is doing parties, and we're going bad. I'm so scared because I'm a risk person.
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Yozora

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VaniMiniGames said:
Here in Spain, people is doing parties, and we're going bad. I'm so scared because I'm a risk person.
:(

I feel you. I'm not high risk, but when I read accounts of low risk people surviving and getting things like brain fog and lung damage it makes me want to be cautious. The virus cases keep rising here, and it might get worse as the weather gets colder. Some people where I am in the US still aren't wearing masks, or not wearing them over their nose, which defeats the whole point of wearing a mask...I hope things get better soon.
 

Genesis

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Yozora said:
VaniMiniGames said:
Here in Spain, people is doing parties, and we're going bad. I'm so scared because I'm a risk person.
:(

I feel you. I'm not high risk, but when I read accounts of low risk people surviving and getting things like brain fog and lung damage it makes me want to be cautious. The virus cases keep rising here, and it might get worse as the weather gets colder. Some people where I am in the US still aren't wearing masks, or not wearing them over their nose, which defeats the whole point of wearing a mask...I hope things get better soon.
Hi @Yozora Nice to see you and to hear you are healthy when so many people in the US aren't. For me masks are important. It also shows respect to others in that you care about their health and you take a united front against the disease standing together. The psychological factor of that is important for me. But even more important for me is social distancing, and people don't seem to be as focused on it. I think social distancing is even more important than masks. Also to only visit public areas that are very well ventilated. When there are too many people together they can't maintain social distancing, and also the air gets thick.

Like you I also have heard of younger people getting side effects from the virus varying from lack of energy to the point of exhaustion and followed by depression. Also lung issues. Better not to get sick if one can help it. Old or young.

Must say the whole scenario is depressing going for a second visit by the virus and even more lethal than the first. At least people are now more used to it, but one wonders when it will ever stop. I wonder what I will do when they bring out vaccines as so far I've learned that epidemiologists only understand bits of the virus. What if a healthy human takes the vaccine and gets sick from it not immediately but later in future. I can't quite trust it, because so much of what has happened by the virus has not been seen by epidemiologists and researchers ahead of time. So how would they be able to see the effect of the vaccine in the longer term. Like maybe in three months's time the vaccine may have worn off as so far they've found that anti bodies against the virus decrease from three months onwards. I'd imagine it would have to happen with the efficacy of vaccines too?
 

Peter

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Genesis said:
I wonder what I will do when they bring out vaccines as so far I've learned that epidemiologists only understand bits of the virus. What if a healthy human takes the vaccine and gets sick from it not immediately but later in future. I can't quite trust it, because so much of what has happened by the virus has not been seen by epidemiologists and researchers ahead of time. So how would they be able to see the effect of the vaccine in the longer term. Like maybe in three months's time the vaccine may have worn off as so far they've found that anti bodies against the virus decrease from three months onwards. I'd imagine it would have to happen with the efficacy of vaccines too?
I think we cannot know for sure that it will be perfectly safe. For me it's more a question about whether getting the virus or taking the vaccine has higher risk. We know that the virus has side-effects, sometimes very serious ones, so I would personally think the vaccine is probably the safer bet. Of course I could count on enough people taking the vaccine to create enough herd immunity that I have to get neither the virus nor the vaccine but it doesn't work if everyone thinks like that. At the moment I'm thinking I will probably take it, if it seems safe and assuming it's not like the Sputnik vaccine that we don't know enough about, but I'm kind of counting on the fact that I'm relatively young and will not get the vaccine first so it will probably have been tested on millions of people before me which should give a lot of informations about side effects at least in the short term. Who knows, maybe I won't even have to take it. Maybe only the risk groups have to take it each year like the flue vaccine. It's still early and lots to be learned but if we could end all this by just risking it with a vaccine I think that seems like a small risk in comparison.
 

billybob

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To be honest what worries me is the economy. I dont understand how it will operate once more when the pandemic is over.Will it resume to normal or will the government and the people take advantage of the state our world is in for the worse.
 

Genesis

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billybob said:
To be honest what worries me is the economy. I dont understand how it will operate once more when the pandemic is over.Will it resume to normal or will the government and the people take advantage of the state our world is in for the worse.

Will the pandemic ever get to be over? Going to be interesting if once there's a vaccine available that the year after a new pandemic with a new virus starts that the vaccine is useless for. Maybe the world has to accept pandemic as the new normal. And deal with it as part of the whole shebang of threats around us. Possibly there is a whole bunch of opportunities to get rich from the pandemic. So a new economy is possible?

I have no clue where this pandemic started, but I wonder whether there is a link between exhaustion of the environment and over population of the world.
 

Yozora

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Yeah, part of me wonders if the virus cases will be lessened after a vaccine is made, but I still wonder if that will be enough...Some friends of mine are catching it (mostly asymptomatic, but I worry about after effects showing up later), and my grandmother might have to be moved to a senior citizens home, where she might catch it. I wish elder care facilities weren't getting hit so hard here, but they are.
 

elmialborz

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Genesis said:
I some times wonder whether this is providing a break to the world. We've been subjected by economic warfare from China for decades. Our markets could not compete with their cheap products (in price - but also in quality most of the time), and were completely swamped with millions losing their jobs in the West. They invaded everywhere, i.e. took up presence in the countries where they exported their trade and products, and employed citizens of China only where they took up physical economic presence. I was in Vancouver, Canada and saw that happening first hand. They even competed aggressively for jobs in the market, prepared to work for less so brought salaries down as well.

At one point I thought this virus was non-political and Facebook was spreading fake news about the origins of it. We will never know. Possibly it is fake news, but at the same time it looks as though we're not only facing a virus that makes people sick, but a virus about virus information some of it that is fake information. People are pulling it in any direction they wish to create economic stories that suit them. We're already faced with so many lies, so I guess we're now going to get lies about lies. Even the statistics of Corona Virus cases are now being doubted as well. I don't think there is truth any longer and people are making it up as they go. We still don't know the exact source of the virus. But what we know is there is more fiction about the virus than facts, which maybe makes it dangerous that way. How can countries prepare themselves properly if so much misinformation is allowed to go round in the world - particularly about the source of the virus, the number of cases and fatalities and an anti-dote?

I am not a political expert and I try not to talk about political issues.
But about this information that is increasing rapidly in cyberspace, I must say that more than 90% of it is pure lies.
I read a lot of medical and biology books and I have a lot of information about viruses, bacteria, their reproductive cycle, mutations, and so on.
I see every day that those around me believe the rumors of cyberspace (or rather - cyberspace lies) and I suffer a lot from this, but unfortunately the only solution I have is to refute this false information with scientific reasoning. But unfortunately this is very time consuming.

There is a lot of information about the origin of the virus, but unfortunately 99.9% of it is false.
But there is an interesting thing about this virus. Given that research laboratories have found the genetic sequence and surface arrangement of the virus, we have structural information about the virus.
We know that a virus loses its original sequence over time and can not have its original sequence for more than 6 months due to lack of metabolism (and gene protection system).
But part of this genetic sequence and its surface arrangement (corona virus) is consistent with other viruses such as SARS, influenza (bird flu), and so on.
We also know that the familial genus of SARS and Corona viruses is different from the flu, and this part of the gene should not be the same in these three types of viruses.

Given this information, it is very unlikely that the virus would not have been created without our help (humans do not necessarily mean it). This is a bit bitter because:
1- If the relevant gene is made in nature, then there is a factor that remains unknown
2- If it is not made in nature, then our work is human

This topic that I mentioned scares us a little bit

Thanks
About the fear of the virus:
One of my concerns was the case I mentioned in the previous post

But about the fear of infection:
A month ago, my grandfather contracted the disease but had no specific symptoms until he wanted to be vaccinated and had an ear infection.
Everything seemed fine before the vaccine, but after the vaccine, as my grandfather was recovering, his body became very resistant to the vaccine, and he was fine.
After we saw that he was in a bad condition, we took him to the hospital, and after testing and scanning his lungs, we found out what the matter was. :lol:
And more interestingly, we used to come and go to my grandfather's house all this time, but thank God, none of the family members (even my grandparents themselves) had any symptoms.
 

Genesis

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elmialborz said:
I am not a political expert and I try not to talk about political issues.
But about this information that is increasing rapidly in cyberspace, I must say that more than 90% of it is pure lies.
Totally agreed!

elmialborz said:
There is a lot of information about the origin of the virus, but unfortunately 99.9% of it is false.
But there is an interesting thing about this virus. Given that research laboratories have found the genetic sequence and surface arrangement of the virus, we have structural information about the virus.
We know that a virus loses its original sequence over time and can not have its original sequence for more than 6 months due to lack of metabolism (and gene protection system).
But part of this genetic sequence and its surface arrangement (corona virus) is consistent with other viruses such as SARS, influenza (bird flu), and so on.
We also know that the familial genus of SARS and Corona viruses is different from the flu, and this part of the gene should not be the same in these three types of viruses.

Given this information, it is very unlikely that the virus would not have been created without our help (humans do not necessarily mean it). This is a bit bitter because:
1- If the relevant gene is made in nature, then there is a factor that remains unknown
2- If it is not made in nature, then our work is human
Again totally agreed. Thanks for putting the reasons scientifically too. I know of a brilliant epidemiologist whose conclusion in absence of scientific info is that it must have happened in a laboratory in Hunan. Either by accident during research on SARS, or with purpose. That part I wouldn't know. What I do know is that the socalled WHO investigation of what happened in Hunan was all shush shush with maximum cooperation with China Government. Has any one seen a report of the investigation yet? Possibly no. And this media who is causing so much damage with their misinformation are strangely very quiet about this as well. Why can't they ask the right questions, or is it because their bosses are instructed not to do so?