Immigrant crisis ...

GigaBot

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I'm not really happy to mention the serious and somewhat disturbing topics like Immigrant crisis that is going on these days and months, especially in South Eastern Europe ...but since my Country is in the middle of it, I am live witness of how it looks and what those unhappy people are going through.
This morning I've been in Belgrade near main Train Station ...it is unreal situation, a thousands and thousands of refugees from Syria, Afghanistan ...are all over the Belgrade, spending time outside in tents in parks and the streets ...little kids, families ...terrible...
They've passed a thousands of kilometers, mostly walking through many Countries ...running away fr
om real horror that is going on in their own Countries, hoping to find better place for them and their families in "rich" Countries of Western Europe ...

Sorry for disturbing you with this, but when you see it with your own eyes ...it is not easy to forget it.
 

Genesis

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I'm surprised they were allowed to travel so far. Doesn't make sense to me at all. All I'm hoping for is that they can sort out the problem at its source in Syria. Not sure how they can sort it out though. Looks as though it is stalemate and most of Syria has been destroyed for at least one generation and maybe the next. All of the infrastructure like schools have been destroyed, and probably people are seeking opportunities elsewhere.

Still, can't understand how they got that far. Someone in authority must have made a decision about it, and it wasn't the refugees. Must have been at the European Government level as I believe the countries are being paid per refugee, so there could be income for the countries who are allowing the refugees to pass through.
 

GigaBot

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I really can not dig into it that much deep, but in reality when you see them live in the streets and parks...they are like living "zombies" ...wandering around the City ...don't where they should go, waht they should do ...it looks surreal.
 

GigaBot

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I mean situation there is terrible for a long time ...but now suddenly a hundreds of thousands are leaving their Countries and passing a thousand miles by walking ... whole families ...trying to reach Germany, Sweden ...there is a rumors that Rothschild pay them 11000 dollars each as some sort of help ...conspiracy theory or true?! ... It is hard to use common sense these days ...ha.
 

Genesis

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I'm sure there must be money behind all of this. But I can imagine if you see it up close like you do it has to be very uncomfortable. Just imagine all of the security we have to go through when we travel from one country to another. Yet the refugees are coming through in thousands. Completely bizarre.
 

GigaBot

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But as far as I could see, there is no older then 40 years among them. They are all young People ...they are well dressed and they have money, because they are regularly buying food in bakeries and fast food restaurants ...funny thing about those bakeries and fast food restaurants ...almost all of them have set up price lists and menus on shop windows in Arabic ...ha. merchants are merchants ...
 

Genesis

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misharnet said:
...funny thing about those bakeries and fast food restaurants ...almost all of them have set up price lists and menus on shop windows in Arabic ...ha. merchants are merchants ...
What people and Governments won't do for money indeed! :p
 
Seeing you have seen them first hand. Can you tell me if they are mainly men. We have heard some nasty stuff lately about the refugees. I want a first hand account before I say anything
 

jaran

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misharnet said:
I really can not dig into it that much deep, but in reality when you see them live in the streets and parks...they are like living "zombies" ...wandering around the City ...don't where they should go, waht they should do ...it looks surreal.

lol...zombie. Sorry Im not seriously. But its true. I cant imagine how then it will impact for your country. All refugees just coming with no hope, no money and job. One of my reason is really proud with your country is still accept them although in global economy crisis situation. :good:
 

GigaBot

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strokerace said:
Seeing you have seen them first hand. Can you tell me if they are mainly men. We have heard some nasty stuff lately about the refugees. I want a first hand account before I say anything

They are mostly younger then 40 years, but there is as I said whole families, so there is a lot of women with children...
About nasty stuffs ...in my Country there wasn't anything bad they did. There is no problems with their behavior. They are peaceful ...most of them are well educated with University degrees or they are current students ...they are generally very nice People ...But on the other hand, some of the Countries they've passed through, treated them very badly, like they are some sort of invaders or something ...as far as I understood ...they just want to get to the rich western Countries, mostly Germany.


jaran said:
misharnet said:
I really can not dig into it that much deep, but in reality when you see them live in the streets and parks...they are like living "zombies" ...wandering around the City ...don't where they should go, waht they should do ...it looks surreal.

lol...zombie. Sorry Im not seriously. But its true. I cant imagine how then it will impact for your country. All refugees just coming with no hope, no money and job. One of my reason is really proud with your country is still accept them although in global economy crisis situation. :good:

Well, this is true and I'm happy about it ...generally People in my Country understand their situation and are willing to help ...of course there is always People who want to take advantage of any kind of situation, and earn some extra money?! ...like some taxi drivers who charge them a LOT to drive them to the Country border ...
 

Harwinder

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Thats just disturbing to hear. I live in NL and its also a huge issue here. But people take too much advantage of these people to be fair. Thats mainly because they just do not have a another option..
 
Ok, from what I have heard, its alot of young men. Not many women and children. There is no old, weak or sick people. To me, this is what you call a trojan horse. You stated young and well educated. That is proving this theory correct so far.
 

Genesis

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strokerace said:
Ok, from what I have heard, its alot of young men. Not many women and children. There is no old, weak or sick people. To me, this is what you call a trojan horse. You stated young and well educated. That is proving this theory correct so far.
Agreed. And Misharnet noticed they have money to buy things.
 

GigaBot

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You are guys right, there is something strange going on about it. On one hand, I'm sure those People are not happy that they are forced to leave their homes and Countries. There is a sort of "hell" on Earth in their Countries...but on the other hand, we are talking maybe about potential millions of such immigrants. Germany stated that they are ready to accept 500,000 every year!? ...now if someone gave them money to immigrate, it looks like someone wants to relocate a millions of People from Middle East ...
 
I don't want to make this a conspiracy theory or anything like.

Sure, they could be all unhappy and could not leave before. Now they have a means to leave their country. But do they really need to leave?
Now, I am not big into god and the bible and don't want to offend any ones beliefs here.
I hang out with this guy that knows the bible inside and out. He said that this would happened and its written in the bible. Sorry, don't have the exact passage to quote here. But it states about the world would end from within. Or something along those lines.

I know there is a lot of rumors and lies spreading around the net right now. But the name Rothchild was brought up. Guess what, they funded the civil wars in the U.S back in the 1800's. They still hold loans for the money that they have lent each state. I was just informed of this right now. I was even told they funded the WW1 and ww2.

No, if you listen to the freemasons, they control most of the money and people in the world. They have said that we are over populated and need to be thinned out.

Now, if you also go by the prophecies, they said that we will have tons of natural disasters followed by a 3rd world war.

If you add this all together with whats been going on in the last few years, it appears that the pieces are starting to fall in place now.

If I was a war strategist, I would use the trojan horse. Send as many educated people to the enemy and learn, build and train behind the enemy lines. When their guard is down, then execute the plan with minimal bloodshed.

This is just an observation of the events over the years.
 

rrroberts

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Genesis said:
I'm sure there must be money behind all of this. But I can imagine if you see it up close like you do it has to be very uncomfortable. Just imagine all of the security we have to go through when we travel from one country to another. Yet the refugees are coming through in thousands. Completely bizarre.

Do not know if this is what you meant by money behind it - http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/w...ing-in-europe-is-now-worth-billions.html?_r=0

Or if you mean someone behind the scenes manipulating the situation for gain.


strokerace said:
I don't want to make this a conspiracy theory or anything like.

Sure, they could be all unhappy and could not leave before. Now they have a means to leave their country. But do they really need to leave?
Now, I am not big into god and the bible and don't want to offend any ones beliefs here.
I hang out with this guy that knows the bible inside and out. He said that this would happened and its written in the bible. Sorry, don't have the exact passage to quote here. But it states about the world would end from within. Or something along those lines.

I know there is a lot of rumors and lies spreading around the net right now. But the name Rothchild was brought up. Guess what, they funded the civil wars in the U.S back in the 1800's. They still hold loans for the money that they have lent each state. I was just informed of this right now. I was even told they funded the WW1 and ww2.

No, if you listen to the freemasons, they control most of the money and people in the world. They have said that we are over populated and need to be thinned out.

Now, if you also go by the prophecies, they said that we will have tons of natural disasters followed by a 3rd world war.

If you add this all together with whats been going on in the last few years, it appears that the pieces are starting to fall in place now.

If I was a war strategist, I would use the trojan horse. Send as many educated people to the enemy and learn, build and train behind the enemy lines. When their guard is down, then execute the plan with minimal bloodshed.

This is just an observation of the events over the years.

Not to be critical, but some of that sounds complicated to set up.

From what I have been trying to understand in the news, sounds like a 3 cornered shootout in Syria - Assad's loyalists, anti-Assad forces, and ISIS - with the weapons makers raking in profits. Read something about Russia now sending arms to Assad. So with all this going on, civilians are caught in a crossfire and want to leave. And the U.S. wants Assad to step down. see
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/26/us-policy-syria-refugees-assad-rebels

To my simple mind, this seems more logical than Rothchild, Free Masons, Prophecies, etc.
 

Genesis

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@rrrroberts

But here's the difficult part to understand. You and I have to go through fairly stringent security in order to cross from one country to another. Particularly the United States. And if we were to do it en masse like this we'd be stopped and apprehended somewhere. But these guys are almost welcomed through. Which to me says definitely this is done with the approvals of people up high and the countries are being paid by refugee.

In the meanwhile the media are focusing out of the ordinarily intense on reports about sufferings and drama of the refugees and you've got the world sympathy for letting these guys through. What about all of the suffering in other parts of the world? Are they also going to be allowed to do the refugee thing? I don't think so. As what is happening is organized. A few someones did deals with a few others. Wouldn't make sense if it were not. Only BIG problem is that I have to agree with Strokerace that there is bound to be a Trojan Horse here as well.
 
@"rrroberts" , how can this be complicated? In all sense of the word, I am a no body and I can up with this. I have no formal military training, no political connections, yet, I came up with this scenario on my own.

Could I be reading this all wrong. Sure I can, I am human and bound to make mistakes.

Everything I mentioned has been written years ago. I drew my conclusions from those words. And from past events. Like the story of Troy and the trojan horse.

Wars have changed over the years. Before, you could tell your enemy by the uniform. Back in the 50's it changed. They started to use gorilla war fare. You couldn't tell a soldier from a civilian. This is how the fighting is today. That is why its so hard to tell the enemy from a friendly.

It is sad that its turning out this way. Its pitting neighbor against neighbor now.
I was just in a donut shop and we started to discuss this matter among strangers and they even believe this is what is going on. It worries me. Not so much for myself, but for the future of my kids.
The books and things I have read, talks about a third world war. Its said, this war will be worst then all other wars before it and will last years.
 

rrroberts

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Points taken gentle people - but I am extremely leery of conspiracy theories - for example, when I hear people talking about Free Masons' conspiracies I think about Knights Templar - look them up and read about their decline and why. Then there is the Illuminati - the Enlightened - I imagined the early Catholic Church did not want people thinking for themselves.

As far as the European governments officials are concerned, I imagine some may see the immigrants as a cheap labor pool.

Gorilla warfare has been around a long time - the term Fifth Column was coined before WWII.

I am not saying that the refugee crisis is not an opportunity for bringing terrorists in piggybacked on the refugees (obviously it is) in, just that there are much easier, cheaper, and lower profile ways to do it than manufacturing a flood of refugees. The old Soviet regime - did they bring sleeper agents into U.S.A.? How did they do it? The U.S. has millions of illegal immigrants (a cheap labor pool - during summer you even see them here in rural PA) - do we not have a border and border patrol, Rio Grande, dessert, and walls? Some of the illegals are hired by organized crime to smuggle in drugs, that does not mean illegal immigration was designed to smuggle drugs into U.S.

Remember Bible Codes? Where every nth word (or some such thing) in the original Hebrew Old Testament is some sort of prophecy? The same thing can be done with the book Moby Dick. I apologize, but prophecies are good for stories. Being a complete non-believer of ALL religions, I put little stock in religion and their prophecies. Besides - theology displaces mind space that can be used for something more productive - science and math.:smile:

Usually the simplest explanation is the most probable explanation - there has been a horrible war in Syria for YEARS. People have been displaced. They want to leave the war zone. Muslims (and Arab Christians) have been going to Western Europe for years for work. Be vigilant that it does not turn into another Mariel boatlift of 1980.

Thanks for listening