IspConfig No Fun !~

xdude

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Yesterday I thought about trying IspConfig3 panel again. So today since morning I have been trying to install it and oh boy this is no easy task. I think it's made for guys who live with Linux. Unless you have advance knowledge in Linux or have used this panel for a long white it's really hard.

You have to install and configure most of main services manually. There are no short cuts. There is one script made for Desbian but since I'm not comfortable with that I had to reinstall CentOS again. There aren't many tutorials for this and even those you can find doesn't work as you expect. Has to figure service by service.

Finally I got the panel working but it says POP3-Server and IMAP-Server. I had to installed pure-ftpd because it panel said ftp server also offline. There are so much to sort out there.

Well bright side is you can learn a lot about Linux by trying to install IspConfig.
 

Genesis

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xdude said:
Well bright side is you can learn a lot about Linux by trying to install IspConfig.
Take my hat off for you for not giving up and persevering! :yessir:

Very soon now you'd be able to build a Website on Control Panels.
 

xdude

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Oh I have servers with Kloxo-MR, VestaCP and CentOS web panel with websites and running without a problem.

I never had much luck with ispConfig. Couldn't get a server configured to production level with it. So here I'm trying again. ))

I noticed Ubuntu users seems like this panel a lot. their forum has lots of topics about this.
 

smalpierre

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Keep hacking at it, you'll get it! You have already noticed that it's got a script for Debian, and that it likes Ubuntu, which happens to be a Debian variant, so that would make sense. I personally like Debian best. I've played with CentOS a little bit, and I plan on giving it another whirl or two.

CentOS (Community ENTerprise OS) is one i've been interested in playing with more since it's entire mission is to be 100% binary compatible with Red Hat Enterprise Linux - which is what most large organizations that use Linux use for a number of understandable reasons. My only issue is that the packages are a little stale even when compared to Debian, which is intentional and not without good reason - reason 1 being binary compatibility with RHEL, reason 2 being that like RHEL it's intent is to be rock solid stable rather than cutting edge new.

In any case, they're all Linux and have similar functions and features although they all have their quirks. You should be able to get it going with a little inter-linux translation.
 

xdude

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Yeah well I got FTP working and but panel says mail servers are still offline even those I made sure both pop3 and IMAP-Servers are up an running. Right now my biggest problem is DNS-Server seems not working even thought internal monitor days it's online. I remember having this problem when trying to installed KloxoMR 7. I had to remove BIND and install something else. So I have to check this.

Maybe I should try this auto install script in Debian.
 

xdude

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Virtualizor panel has auto hosting panel installation option which let you choose 6 panels including ispConfig3. I gave it a try and got it installed flawlessly. It's not gonna help you to learn anything new but if you want to get ispconfig installed without a headache this a good way.

Later I had to installed CentOS web panel in another server and I had to admit how easy to installed panels like CWP or Kloxo-MR. I have to say CentOS panel is very impressive.
 
The problem with Linux is its command line based. You have to know the commands to install and run packages.Almost all commands will work on any distro of linux.Its also the reason why a lot of people don't use linux. The best part is you can search the net to find out how to install any package. Depending on what site, it will give you all the commands you need to install the package.
 

xdude

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I do know how to install packages and all related things in Linux. Even when you know all the commands still things go wrong here and there. All those tutorials around net doesn't help you when these mistakes happen. This is the big difference in ispConfig and most of other control panels, You have to install everything by your self.

When control panel taking care of it there is less chance to make any human errors and it also save time.

Reason why people don't use Linux is they are not used to it and also Linux doesn't support too many commercial software we use in Windows or Mac OS. Desktop Linux users rarely need to use command prompt.
 
Actually, Linux has as many commercial program as Mac. Mac was originally based off of Unix, which Linux is based on. Majority of all software is free free for linux.

You are right,most linux users don't use commands prompts much. But then most distros are gear towards windows users.
 

GigaGreg

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ISPConfig is killing me, we use this at the college to manage our local servers. There is nothing cool about it.
 

xdude

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Well there are plenty of free software for Linux but nothing which can compare tools like Dreamweaver or Photoshop. I do have a Ubuntu Deskop PC. But I rarely use it.

One of the main reasons why Linux getting popular is because developers trying to make Linux distros more and more look like Windows.


iGdesigner said:
ISPConfig is killing me, we use this at the college to manage our local servers. There is nothing cool about it.

It doesn't give you much trouble once you have it installed and configure. But upgrading to newer version usually mess all configurations. This has happened to me so many times.
 

GigaGreg

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xdude said:
It doesn't give you much trouble once you have it installed and configure. But upgrading to newer version usually mess all configurations. This has happened to me so many times.

I agree, but there are better and free scripts. I dislike the layout of it, because everything seems to be hidden in my eyes.
 

xdude

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Yeah that's true. But free scripts need bit of experience to get sorted everything out. For someone who start using vps for first time using a control panel is the best way till he/she starts understanding everything.
 

smalpierre

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strokerace said:
Actually, Linux has as many commercial program as Mac. Mac was originally based off of Unix, which Linux is based on. Majority of all software is free free for linux.

You are right,most linux users don't use commands prompts much. But then most distros are gear towards windows users.

The only software of any consequence I know of that doesn't have a linux version, or a good equivalent is drafting sotware like AutoCAD or ChiefArchitect - and accounting software like Quickbooks. Used to be able to get a version of Sage for Linux but it was extremely expensive as it was the mid level business one - nothing for small business.

I try to not use the command line when possible, because remembering a bunch of option switches for a million and one things is kind of silly when there's a gui. I do use it when it's necessary or convenient though.
 

xdude

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I have been searching something equal to Dreamweaver and Photoshop. I have been looking for years but haven't found anything in their caliber.
 

Genesis

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smalpierre said:
I try to not use the command line when possible, because remembering a bunch of option switches for a million and one things is kind of silly when there's a gui. I do use it when it's necessary or convenient though.
Haha .... and here I thought all those Linux geeks had to be brilliant to remember all of the commands. Which Linux distribution are you using?

Just checked the one I'm using and indeed there's a GNOME for it:
http://www.idevelopment.info/data/Unix/Linux/LINUX_AddGNOMEToCentOSMinimalInstall.shtml
 

smalpierre

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Genesis said:
smalpierre said:
I try to not use the command line when possible, because remembering a bunch of option switches for a million and one things is kind of silly when there's a gui. I do use it when it's necessary or convenient though.
Haha .... and here I thought all those Linux geeks had to be brilliant to remember all of the commands. Which Linux distribution are you using?

Just checked the one I'm using and indeed there's a GNOME for it:
http://www.idevelopment.info/data/Unix/Linux/LINUX_AddGNOMEToCentOSMinimalInstall.shtml

There's gui tools for gnome and kde. If I'm using xfce window system as I do on remote machines because SPEED!!! I install the gnome ones.

I'm not THAT much of a linux geek - but I'm thinking about moving to Linux for desktop with Windows in a VM as a permanent thing.

Commands are important, and they are in windows too but not as important. Still, when I need to know my IP address, it's easier to flick open a command shell and ifconfig or ipconfig than it is to dig through the gui tools. I do find myself using apt-get on the command line more often than using the gui tools in Linux.

I keep an browser window at the ready to look up commands and options. If I'm ssh'd into a remote box, I'm using the local gui browser. Usually though I connect with RDP and get a gui and open a terminal window.

Oh - I'm using Debian. In theory, I'd LOVE to be using Gentoo but I just don't have time to wrap my head around that much geekyness, and haven't for a long time. Maybe one day ... Debian and CentOS are the next best thing. I don't use CentOS as much as I should maybe, but Debians packages aren't quite as stale. Every time I look at CentOS I look at the stable package list and think ... no I CAN'T use PHP 5.1 ... I used to, but why deprive myself of features? The advantage to CentOS is that it strives to be binary compatible with RHEL which is what the big corps use - so if you're trying to exercise your skill set for job interviews CentOS makes more sense. I don't think I'll ever work as an employee again. I like the flexibility of being able to say F it, I'm going fishing today - so I use what works best for me.

Funny, because the last corp job I had working on Linux boxes they used SuSE ... So in a way it doesn't really matter. They are all very similar, and Google-Fu is more important than geeking out on a particular distro. I'll work on any of them as long as I get paid :D

There was a time when I installed everything from source because I HATED the package managers. They are all different in sometimes not so subtle ways, and then I control exactly what is on my system. It's just more convenient to have an installer for the OS, and use a package manager that handles dependencies.

The Gentoo package manager is entirely source based which seemed to be exactly what I was looking for. The problem I've run into is manually installing the OS - THAT is a royal PITA. I think I succeeded maybe 1 time out of 10 even on the same system - and I was taking notes during the process. Maybe I was drunk ... that seems like a good excuse haha :D


Gimp is the best Linux has to offer to compete with Photoshop afaik. As for Dreamweaver - If you're using the design mode, you're not going to find something all that similar. People that use WSIWYG gimmicks to build sites generally don't use Linux.

If you're looking for a good IDE for coding webapps there are several. PHPStorm runs on win / lin / mac, also NetBeans PHP version, and I think Brackets will work in Linux too - it's just Javascript run in a browser - although it might not exactly be the browser you use for the internet - maybe an embedded one. In that case, it wouldn't be too terribly difficult to make it run in whatever.
 

xdude

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strokerace said:
xdude said:
I have been searching something equal to Dreamweaver and Photoshop. I have been looking for years but haven't found anything in their caliber.
Have you looked at any of theses for linux
http://alternativeto.net/software/adobe-photoshop/?platform=linux
http://sixrevisions.com/graphics-design/10-excellent-open-source-and-free-alternatives-to-photoshop/

Yeah I have. GIMP is the only software even remotely closer to Photoshop but still miles apart. Still was trying it because it's the only good one I found when I was using Ubuntu. Never could get used to it.
 
xdude said:
strokerace said:
xdude said:
I have been searching something equal to Dreamweaver and Photoshop. I have been looking for years but haven't found anything in their caliber.
Have you looked at any of theses for linux
http://alternativeto.net/software/adobe-photoshop/?platform=linux
http://sixrevisions.com/graphics-design/10-excellent-open-source-and-free-alternatives-to-photoshop/

Yeah I have. GIMP is the only software even remotely closer to Photoshop but still miles apart. Still was trying it because it's the only good one I found when I was using Ubuntu. Never could get used to it.

Well, I am not on Linux enough to know, but what about using photshop with Wine. I just use linux when I am doing some security audits.