Kloxo MR v7

xdude

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Anyone here use Kloxo MR 7.x or even 6.5x ? Few days ago I tried to install it and got it install without a problem. But Configuring it properly is another matter. First I got it configured and as all tutorials say but once I uploaded a wordpress site I found it shows just a white blank page.

Now after several days and installing it in 2 different vps to test I'm still having the same problem.
 

dmull

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Verify that your PHP is set up correctly.

I have used KloxoMR for years and feel it is an awesome branch off the ole Kloxo.
 

xdude

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A bit late reply but anyway I have moved from KloxoMR to VirtualMin. I really did love KloxoMR but I started having problems and couldn't find solutions even after posting in their support forum. It's developer is very active in support forum which is a great thing but when only one person do all development there is always things which can go wrong.
 

dmull

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xdude said:
A bit late reply but anyway I have moved from KloxoMR to VirtualMin. I really did love KloxoMR but I started having problems and couldn't find solutions even after posting in their support forum. It's developer is very active in support forum which is a great thing but when only one person do all development there is always things which can go wrong.

I have noticed the very same about the forums. Seems one thing would stop working, would get it back up and going and then something else would crash. I ended up going with Sentora. Because there really is not an antispam service with Sentora, I installed Xeams with ClamAV. Works a ton!. As far as security, This POS (peice of $h!t) server is a really an old (Dell) AMD Athlon 5400+ 5 gigs of ram and 750 gig harddrive with CentOS7 x64. It is hosted behind my works 100/100 fiber. It sits right next to me and is behind a SonicWall. I know that Sentora may have issues, however It is what I like and what works really well for me.
 

Genesis

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Great to see you back Xdude. Thanks for the updates on VirtualMin. Brilliant post as per your usual high standard. :drinks:
 

xdude

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@Genesis

Thanks. Glad to be back. This new forum theme looks great. Neat and professional. :)

@dmull

I guess you got a good internet connection with a static IP. I can't say same about what I have. Plus there are other probelms like electricity. So I have started using VPS for everything, for hosting sites and also to do other things like taking backups, using ftp etc. I have heard too many bad things about Sentora but I think most are from those who hated zPanel. But I want to give another try at Kloxo-MR. Not for return back to it but just to see what's new there.
 

drinks2go

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I had installed virtualmin and webmin which I think is one of the really well developed ones, nice interface anyway! But too complex for me! Also I would like to learn shell scripting ! And I'm not sure how secure it is to access shell via browser

Cpanel is very good indeed. I rarely use hosting service mailservers because there can be issues with blacklisting or mail not being sent etc. So I outsource to big 3rd parties, usually my DNS is through CloudFlare or hurricane electric, and I love filezilla 8) so I actually hardly use even Cpanel except for adding domains to a shared hosting plan of course!
 

Genesis

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My experience with Virtualmin and Webmin is the same. With Kloxo I'm concerned that there is only one guy who is updating it. I'd be worried about security. You're on the mark about cpanel and e-mail services. It's much better to keep web hosts and e-mail hosts separate. Easy to do as well. I've heard good stuff about Cloudflare, but could be with my experience with being located too far from their regional hub, that it has not been as great.
 

xdude

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One reason why Virtualmin looks complex is because we are way too used to cPanel and Virtualmin has a different name for most functions. Plus it has everything offered by WHM and cPanel together so looks crowded. I don't think using shell commands of browser is a big deal as long as security is good. After all it's the whole idea of having a UI based control panel including cPanel.

When it comes to security I think Virtualmin is probbly the best among all free hosting control panels. This is one of the main reasons why I did choose it. It has a profetional group of developers and commerical version (basciallly same version but full support). So they do release timly fixes for anything they find. When was the last time you saw someone screaming about VIrtualmin security breaches ? This is one of the first things I checked on Google.

Another thing about security is the most of these breaches, hacks, attacks happen because of user mistakes or lack of proper server hardening. There are basic security measures everyone must take when configuring a vps and then there are secondry level security measures which everyone should impliment. Usually newbies don't do these and then blame on controls panels. This is one reason why some easy to use panels have so many negative reviews. People use these panels because those are easy to install and use but don't bother about security.
 

drinks2go

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I have to disagree with you. It's not difficult to mount man in the middle attacks on SSL connections, most large corporations already do this silently on corporate networks. Not that connecting via sshd is totally impervious, if someone were sitting within proximity to me, they could do it, but all a moderately skilled attacker would require is the fully qualified domain name of your VPS or server and they could quite easily I believe spoof your login and snatch your control panel password that way.

I didn't try it but if webmin gives you access to sudo or even worse root privilidges on ssh couldn't the attacker just rm -rf /

It definitely was an impressive piece of software and I was impressed that the VPS was able to run it so smoothly. I just would prefer to spend my time learning the underpinning (which is, really, less productive than other pursuits, but I am having a good time)
 

drinks2go

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No. I have just been reading about the security issues... I'm not sure I would be using it in a production environment without doing serious penetration testing offline... it looks like this is a fork done by one person which... doesn't give me great confidence
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No doubt that you need something like WHM or Virtualmin if you are hosting other people, I wouldn't want to administrate that stuff through ssh no way! For just a couple sites on a VPS though, I feel it is safer to just use ssh. For hosting if I wanted free I'd go with VirtualMin but I plan for WHM in the future when I have more clients ;)
 

xdude

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Tell you the truth if Im into Web hosting business like offering shared hosting then I would use only cPanel. Virtualmin is great and really good when you get used to it. But I dont think it would be good for avarage shared hosting user. Interface, names, fuctions all different from cPanel so there is bit of a learning curve. Another thing is I don't think people would be willing to buy shared hosting unless it's cPanel. I mean I wouldn't. haha. cPanel dominate the market and everyone wants it.

Virtualmin is great when you want to have separate shared hosting account but you manage all of those. Kloxo-MR has cPanel look and feel. It's an one man show which is not great and I don't know how he able to do all these stuff and dedicate time for the project. I don't know how good it is security wise but the bad reputation Kloxo has effect this product too. I used it for couple of years and haven't had any security problems but I remember there was a dicussion about it in WHT and few server security experts were not impressed with the software or developers replies for their questions.